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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 0:44:18 GMT
I'm tired of everyone white-knighting and giving peasants rights. This is medieval times, guys. They're not people, they ate property of the nearest Lord.
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Post by Balanced Breakfast on Aug 2, 2015 2:02:47 GMT
I'm tired of everyone white-knighting and giving peasants rights. This is medieval times, guys. They're not people, they ate property of the nearest Lord. In all seriousness, I can understand that you wish for a more varying perception of the lower working class, and a greater realization of the relations between the various castes of the medieval hierarchy. This is where I'd make a point for or against you, but I'm honestly neutral about the whole thing, and I've run out of intellectual buzzwords.
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Post by purple on Aug 2, 2015 2:50:37 GMT
Well it's king of hard because everyone is used to the society we live in which we are always told to help people in need and treat others as you want to be treated plus if you try to bully a peasant and someone is around the could just go and try to defend the peasant because the are bored and want a fight or some new weapons which is 100 percent legal as long as the rp it right.
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 4:17:04 GMT
Well it's king of hard because everyone is used to the society we live in which we are always told to help people in need and treat others as you want to be treated plus if you try to bully a peasant and someone is around the could just go and try to defend the peasant because the are bored and want a fight or some new weapons which is 100 percent legal as long as the rp it right. That is the sort of attitude that breaks immersion. Hardcore roleplay is exactly that, hardcore. Lose your Modern mindset, be medieval.
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Post by Friedrich on Aug 2, 2015 4:23:58 GMT
Well it's king of hard because everyone is used to the society we live in which we are always told to help people in need and treat others as you want to be treated plus if you try to bully a peasant and someone is around the could just go and try to defend the peasant because the are bored and want a fight or some new weapons which is 100 percent legal as long as the rp it right. That is the sort of attitude that breaks immersion. Hardcore roleplay is exactly that, hardcore. Lose your Modern mindset, be medieval. This. ^
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 2, 2015 7:43:10 GMT
I'm tired of everyone white-knighting and giving peasants rights. This is medieval times, guys. They're not people, they ate property of the nearest Lord. Fuck that, the Free Men will free all serfs from tyrannical lords and kings, there are no subjects or slaves in our valley
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Post by blackfyre on Aug 2, 2015 8:24:08 GMT
Well this is also some what fantasy if not I wouldn't have a female warrior character. But for the most part I agree which is why I just treat everyone with the same attitude and give them the same insults. Worse if they act as if they had a stick rammed up their arse turned sideways and left there. STILL if you want to go around acting as though you are better than everyone else gaining their hate and help stirring the stew of rebellion SURE GO ON WITH IT I wanna see an uprising!
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 13:19:56 GMT
I'm tired of everyone white-knighting and giving peasants rights. This is medieval times, guys. They're not people, they ate property of the nearest Lord. Fuck that, the Free Men will free all serfs from tyrannical lords and kings, there are no subjects or slaves in our valley That's the sort of white knight attitude that kills the hardcore aspect.
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 2, 2015 13:29:52 GMT
Fuck that, the Free Men will free all serfs from tyrannical lords and kings, there are no subjects or slaves in our valley That's the sort of white knight attitude that kills the hardcore aspect. Lol, look at my freaking bio. I understand the common feudal figure will have your state of mind, but my character betrayed his King because the King tried to slay a bunch of innocent villagers. My character imparticular is defined as a white Knight (or a white thane?) but regardless for ME at least I'm just rping my character.
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 15:45:23 GMT
That's the sort of white knight attitude that kills the hardcore aspect. Lol, look at my freaking bio. I understand the common feudal figure will have your state of mind, but my character betrayed his King because the King tried to slay a bunch of innocent villagers. My character imparticular is defined as a white Knight (or a white thane?) but regardless for ME at least I'm just rping my character. That's poor character creation on your part. That kind of thing simply didn't happen in this time frame, and even when it did, it ended in executions and the rebels were made into examples that prevented further rebellion.
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 2, 2015 15:52:01 GMT
Lol, look at my freaking bio. I understand the common feudal figure will have your state of mind, but my character betrayed his King because the King tried to slay a bunch of innocent villagers. My character imparticular is defined as a white Knight (or a white thane?) but regardless for ME at least I'm just rping my character. That's poor character creation on your part. That kind of thing simply didn't happen in this time frame, and even when it did, it ended in executions and the rebels were made into examples that prevented further rebellion. Ha! Have you seen braveheart? (based on a real rebellion) Ever heard of peasant revolts? Independence movements? Plenty of people back then wanted freedom, and were willing to fight the upper class for it. Most certainly not all of the populous blindly accepted the class system as legitimate. Nonetheless it is a natural human instinct that when you see people mindlessly slaughtering innocents at their whim that you realize the peasants need someone to fight for them.
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 16:07:57 GMT
That's poor character creation on your part. That kind of thing simply didn't happen in this time frame, and even when it did, it ended in executions and the rebels were made into examples that prevented further rebellion. Ha! Have you seen braveheart? (based on a real rebellion) Ever heard of peasant revolts? Independence movements? Plenty of people back then wanted freedom, and were willing to fight the upper class for it. Most certainly not all of the populous blindly accepted the class system as legitimate. Nonetheless it is a natural human instinct that when you see people mindlessly slaughtering innocents at their whim that you realize the peasants need someone to fight for them. Think about when most rebellions happened. You'll see a trend. They were post medieval. In the medieval times, commoners followed the Catholic Church, and the Church said they weren't supposed to have rights.
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 2, 2015 16:16:03 GMT
Ha! Have you seen braveheart? (based on a real rebellion) Ever heard of peasant revolts? Independence movements? Plenty of people back then wanted freedom, and were willing to fight the upper class for it. Most certainly not all of the populous blindly accepted the class system as legitimate. Nonetheless it is a natural human instinct that when you see people mindlessly slaughtering innocents at their whim that you realize the peasants need someone to fight for them. Think about when most rebellions happened. You'll see a trend. They were post medieval. In the medieval times, commoners followed the Catholic Church, and the Church said they weren't supposed to have rights. Again, most. Most haven't seen entire villages put to the sword like my character. Never the less I would argue you on that point you made. People started challenging and hating the Church once the plague started. Priests tended to quarantine them selves instead of giving the dying their last rights that they needed. This started a growing hatred for the church and they lost much credibility. And again I would challenge your assertion that the church said the peasants were nothing. The church never said flat out that peasants werent supposed to have rights however they did discourage peasant revolts because they wanted to make cathllic lords happy. But even if you are right about the church's influence, this is calradia, there is no corrupt unified church like the catholics had. Not to mention, if you make your village hate you enough in sp they will rebel.
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 16:23:59 GMT
Think about when most rebellions happened. You'll see a trend. They were post medieval. In the medieval times, commoners followed the Catholic Church, and the Church said they weren't supposed to have rights. Again, most. Most haven't seen entire villages put to the sword like my character. Never the less I would argue you on that point you made. People started challenging and hating the Church once the plague started. Priests tended to quarantine them selves instead of giving the dying their last rights that they needed. This started a growing hatred for the church and they lost much credibility. And again I would challenge your assertion that the church said the peasants were nothing. The church never said flat out that peasants werent supposed to have rights however they did discourage peasant revolts because they wanted to make cathllic lords happy. But even if you are right about the church's influence, this is calradia, there is no corrupt unified church like the catholics had. Not to mention, if you make your village hate you enough in sp they will rebel. In our server's lore, there is a church. The Church of the Maker. Also, while your character should be considered special, he's not. At all. At least half of the server is like that, when no more than a few actual warriors should be.
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 2, 2015 16:31:18 GMT
Again, most. Most haven't seen entire villages put to the sword like my character. Never the less I would argue you on that point you made. People started challenging and hating the Church once the plague started. Priests tended to quarantine them selves instead of giving the dying their last rights that they needed. This started a growing hatred for the church and they lost much credibility. And again I would challenge your assertion that the church said the peasants were nothing. The church never said flat out that peasants werent supposed to have rights however they did discourage peasant revolts because they wanted to make cathllic lords happy. But even if you are right about the church's influence, this is calradia, there is no corrupt unified church like the catholics had. Not to mention, if you make your village hate you enough in sp they will rebel. In our server's lore, there is a church. The Church of the Maker. Also, while your character should be considered special, he's not. At all. At least half of the server is like that, when no more than a few actual warriors should be. I lead a clan, Ive been running a faction for about a week and now I serve as master at arms, second in command and cheif advisor for one of the two most powerful lords in the realm, i think i'd be one of those warriors. regardless the whole freaking point of bios is for everyone to have special characters, and just because you make false claims about how noone in europe valued freedom, even if they were true it doesnt mean you get to dictate the values my character holds near and dear
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