lavulpe
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Post by lavulpe on Aug 2, 2015 16:42:44 GMT
Remember boys, not every knight was an evil jerk who trampled peasants into the dirt for fun. There were plenty of lords who were actually decent people and protected their peasants as fellow human beings, not just things that bring food and taxes. And free groups could grow as large as the local lords permitted, look at Switzerland. A bunch of pissed off peasants with long sticks turned into a military powerhouse and one of the richest nations of all time, as well as one of the most successful democracies.
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 17:01:15 GMT
In our server's lore, there is a church. The Church of the Maker. Also, while your character should be considered special, he's not. At all. At least half of the server is like that, when no more than a few actual warriors should be. I lead a clan, Ive been running a faction for about a week and now I serve as master at arms, second in command and cheif advisor for one of the two most powerful lords in the realm, i think i'd be one of those warriors. regardless the whole freaking point of bios is for everyone to have special characters, and just because you make false claims about how noone in europe valued freedom, even if they were true it doesnt mean you get to dictate the values my character holds near and dear Let's not get hostile. I'm just saying that realistically, if you don't want to be labeled as a cliche uncreative fellow who ruins RP, it's simple enough to choose a character path. I don't think you mean to contribute to the problem, you seen to be a decent enough fellow, but the simple act of adding another character to the pool with such traits just makes it worse.
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 17:02:32 GMT
Remember boys, not every knight was an evil jerk who trampled peasants into the dirt for fun. There were plenty of lords who were actually decent people and protected their peasants as fellow human beings, not just things that bring food and taxes. And free groups could grow as large as the local lords permitted, look at Switzerland. A bunch of pissed off peasants with long sticks turned into a military powerhouse and one of the richest nations of all time, as well as one of the most successful democracies. I'm just saying that the Knights didn't go about freeing serfs and forcing Lords to stop collecting those taxes.
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daegontargaryen
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Concentrated power isn't rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it- M.Friedman
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 2, 2015 17:35:32 GMT
I lead a clan, Ive been running a faction for about a week and now I serve as master at arms, second in command and cheif advisor for one of the two most powerful lords in the realm, i think i'd be one of those warriors. regardless the whole freaking point of bios is for everyone to have special characters, and just because you make false claims about how noone in europe valued freedom, even if they were true it doesnt mean you get to dictate the values my character holds near and dear Let's not get hostile. I'm just saying that realistically, if you don't want to be labeled as a cliche uncreative fellow who ruins RP, it's simple enough to choose a character path. I don't think you mean to contribute to the problem, you seen to be a decent enough fellow, but the simple act of adding another character to the pool with such traits just makes it worse. Untill my guy dies, that's how its gonna be, bio was approved and everything so if it ruined rp how come both realm and commisariat said they like the lore
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 17:44:23 GMT
Let's not get hostile. I'm just saying that realistically, if you don't want to be labeled as a cliche uncreative fellow who ruins RP, it's simple enough to choose a character path. I don't think you mean to contribute to the problem, you seen to be a decent enough fellow, but the simple act of adding another character to the pool with such traits just makes it worse. Untill my guy dies, that's how its gonna be, bio was approved and everything so if it ruined rp how come both realm and commisariat said they like the lore Again, you're being hostile.
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daegontargaryen
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Concentrated power isn't rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it- M.Friedman
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 2, 2015 19:21:47 GMT
Untill my guy dies, that's how its gonna be, bio was approved and everything so if it ruined rp how come both realm and commisariat said they like the lore Again, you're being hostile. By saying my character will stay in character? Hardly think so
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Post by Turducken on Aug 2, 2015 20:11:19 GMT
Again, you're being hostile. By saying my character will stay in character? Hardly think so Phrasing.
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johndead
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Lets shove that there, connect this ta that and sew that thing up, and you should live.
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Post by johndead on Aug 2, 2015 21:15:13 GMT
Fuck the PEA-SANTS
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 22:11:09 GMT
From my uncalled-for point of view:
I stick with both opinions that, yes, peasants were deprived of respect so that the one-percenters could stay in charge, although, not all were absolute mindless robots and ideas of freedom very much were present in the minds of the people - with only a minority actually succeeding. RP-wise, it makes sense - large clans can make it easier to control by cutting power from the majority; and some clans and character can stroll about with white-knight-ish ideals being spread, which of course the big guys will hate and want to repress. It adds flavour to an otherwise either narrow-minded server or chaotic one.
With that said, my view is that mixing a bit of ahistoricalness can make things interesting.
So yeah. Let's start having reasonable conversations, shall we?
// Sorry if it looks out of place. I can't seem to change the font size of text I already typed. Thanks, Edge.
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Post by blackfyre on Aug 2, 2015 23:01:36 GMT
Oh gosh I'm not even gonna read it all but I am gonna shit on both sides a bit here. Braveheart one of rthe most historically inaccurate movies of all damn time. As for peasant revolts before the late middle ages to renaissance well they happened as well. Mostly from what I have read and watched due too religious differences but they still happened otherwise. I mean sure if they had decades of prosperity the common folk would be fine if their leader was an utter cunt, but if they were all really hard times it was a foolish Noble that shat on his people. It was also an even bigger fool to not realize if he didn't give them respect and laws and carried out these things he would anger those who feed him and his family. So yes peasants are people too... just not as much as nobles (in their own opinions).
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daegontargaryen
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Concentrated power isn't rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it- M.Friedman
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 3, 2015 1:16:08 GMT
Oh gosh I'm not even gonna read it all but I am gonna shit on both sides a bit here. Braveheart one of rthe most historically inaccurate movies of all damn time. As for peasant revolts before the late middle ages to renaissance well they happened as well. Mostly from what I have read and watched due too religious differences but they still happened otherwise. I mean sure if they had decades of prosperity the common folk would be fine if their leader was an utter cunt, but if they were all really hard times it was a foolish Noble that shat on his people. It was also an even bigger fool to not realize if he didn't give them respect and laws and carried out these things he would anger those who feed him and his family. So yes peasants are people too... just not as much as nobles (in their own opinions). Braveheart had some innacuracies, but my point still stand with that example. England basically claimed scottland's throne and militarily occupied it enforcing tyrannical laws, scottland fought back.
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Post by blackfyre on Aug 3, 2015 1:21:14 GMT
Oh gosh I'm not even gonna read it all but I am gonna shit on both sides a bit here. Braveheart one of rthe most historically inaccurate movies of all damn time. As for peasant revolts before the late middle ages to renaissance well they happened as well. Mostly from what I have read and watched due too religious differences but they still happened otherwise. I mean sure if they had decades of prosperity the common folk would be fine if their leader was an utter cunt, but if they were all really hard times it was a foolish Noble that shat on his people. It was also an even bigger fool to not realize if he didn't give them respect and laws and carried out these things he would anger those who feed him and his family. So yes peasants are people too... just not as much as nobles (in their own opinions). Braveheart had some innacuracies, but my point still stand with that example. England basically claimed scottland's throne and militarily occupied it enforcing tyrannical laws, scottland fought back. Not some it's more like many also basically was one tyranny fighting another. Only difference was more on one side obviously liked being ruled by their own lords over foreign ones. www.scottishhistory.com/articles/independence/braveheart.html
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daegontargaryen
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Concentrated power isn't rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it- M.Friedman
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Post by daegontargaryen on Aug 3, 2015 2:56:22 GMT
Braveheart had some innacuracies, but my point still stand with that example. England basically claimed scottland's throne and militarily occupied it enforcing tyrannical laws, scottland fought back. Not some it's more like many also basically was one tyranny fighting another. Only difference was more on one side obviously liked being ruled by their own lords over foreign ones. www.scottishhistory.com/articles/independence/braveheart.htmlBasically your'e arguing that scottish laws are just as tyrannical. But by nature a smaller government is at least less tyrannical, but the laws england imposed on scottland were bad.
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Post by dovahkiin on Aug 3, 2015 3:09:19 GMT
In our server's lore, there is a church. The Church of the Maker. Also, while your character should be considered special, he's not. At all. At least half of the server is like that, when no more than a few actual warriors should be. I lead a clan, Ive been running a faction for about a week and now I serve as master at arms, second in command and cheif advisor for one of the two most powerful lords in the realm, i think i'd be one of those warriors. regardless the whole freaking point of bios is for everyone to have special characters, and just because you make false claims about how noone in europe valued freedom, even if they were true it doesnt mean you get to dictate the values my character holds near and dear The first parts are hilarious <3
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Post by kean101 on Aug 3, 2015 5:44:06 GMT
well i feel very neutral on this topic as i think it could go both ways depending on the person and place not all medieval people were dicks to the working class but also there were plenty who were to highly positioned to even think about lower class citizens as anything more then just that working class kinda like an axe with legs or what have you which just goes to show how fucked up it was back then yet still so interesting so i like the idea of there being "white knights" and the douche bag overlords as it gives a good mix for the two too clash and start rebellions and interesting rp settings if everyone was a dick or a white knight nothing would happen we would all be sitting around watching peasant hit rocks with sticks .-.
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