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Post by SO_RealmHawk on Jul 31, 2015 2:20:10 GMT
Reasons for the reset: -Everyone will get to start fresh -With the new economy system, you make a lot less than you normally do and gear is much more valuable and hard to get putting more of the focus on rp -On the new map, only people with accepted bios will get to train as the more advanced classes reducing the amount of fighters who are only strong because of the time they accumulated on the server making money and buying oppressive gear. -Everyone will be on the same page
New Map economy system:
Glunmar: Low Prices Stockpiles are 20% of their normal worth and the gear is 80% of its normal worth.
Laras/Mount Hellstone/ Brack: Medium Prices Stockpiles are 60% of their worth while gear is 120%
Outlaw/Commoners:Default Prices Stockpiles are 40% and their worth, gear is worth default value
New Zendar:High Prices Stockpiles are 80% of their worth while gear is 140%
Plate is worth 350% of its value.
The point of the server is not to get rich as hell, but to play the role of a character with its own personality, gifts, wants, needs, etc... Right now I see people only playing on the server for the same psychological reasons as most other servers, to get the best gear and the largest sum of money and power so that they can look down on others and feel good about how they wasted solid hours of their life clicking the mouse to watch an animation of their character pounding a iron ore mine with up to 3 alternative sounds of pounding...Anyway, not the point. I want players to come on the server to entertain each other with their different character stories and personalities. We need to step our game up and really start making a name for ourselves. Stop being influenced by simple human weaknesses such as greed, envy, and power. Let's make this an enjoyable server not only for ourselves, but for the rest of the people around us.
I will be finishing edits all tonight so get ready for the map change and vote on this as soon as you can.
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Post by crazed on Jul 31, 2015 2:33:36 GMT
1. If this server becomes like ToR where you make 20 gold per hour, I'm leaving because that's the road it's headed on. 2. Make things fucking affordable. No idea why you want to fucking liberalize everything. 3. High stockpiles are actually something I agree with. 4. If you want the server to have a name for itself, fucking reform your staff. One of your base admins just banned a kid for killing him for a legit reason and the other admins are like 12 years old. 5. Don't do the higher class thing with the bios... that's just asking for a low ass population. 6. The majority of the fucking server is poor already, I don't know why you want EVERYONE to be poor. 7. Add Glunmar and Commoner footman. 8. Money = RP. Fact and we've all seen it and we all see it all the time. 9. Human weaknesses contribute to the RP because WE RP AS HUMANS. 10. If you want RP, use any map that's not VoS or Nantes...
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pugmaster
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Post by pugmaster on Jul 31, 2015 2:36:19 GMT
There isn't a need to restart. If you are one of the ones with tons of cash, either start a new character for a new RP style, or maybe, give all your coin away. There is no need to restart the entire server wiping everyone's stuff.
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Post by SO_RealmHawk on Jul 31, 2015 2:46:13 GMT
pugmaster none of my admins have the time to facilitate that. I understand what you are saying though.
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Post by Bartolomeo on Jul 31, 2015 2:47:16 GMT
1. Crazed doesn't get an opinion after that bullshit he pulled with Jama. He may RP well ingame, but he has no more business in server changing discussion than a fish on land. 2. We NEED to have this sort of economy, I want to see people in heavy leather to be considered semi powerful at least. 3. I have seen plenty of good RP from people without money, the "fact" is not factual. Money does not breed RP, it breeds war. When everyone and their mother is prancing around with 100k wars start for no reason. 4. There is a need to restart, I am looking at 90% of the people in Glunmar alone and they are all in plate. 5. Footman in Glunmar... GLUNMARIANS are PEASANTS. PEASANTS do not have training and therefore should not have the same skills as a footman from Zendar.
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Post by Balanced Breakfast on Jul 31, 2015 2:49:15 GMT
1. Crazed doesn't get an opinion after that bullshit he pulled with Jama. 2. We NEED to have this sort of economy, I want to see people in heavy leather to be considered semi powerful at least. 3. I have seen plenty of good RP from people without money, the "fact" is not factual. Money does not breed RP, it breeds war. When everyone and their mother is prancing around with 100k wars start for no reason. 4. There is a need to restart, I am looking at 90% of the people in Glunmar alone and they are all in plate. at least somebody fucking gets it
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Post by SO_RealmHawk on Jul 31, 2015 3:01:03 GMT
Players will have the option to train as an archer and lord in glunmar for 160% of the normal price of training.
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pugmaster
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Post by pugmaster on Jul 31, 2015 3:10:16 GMT
I've been on servers where everything is super expensive, and you get almost no gold. They are not fun. Always full of trolls and the server is dominated by whoever gets to endgame first. It's usually one guild with the best gear, who terrorizes the entire server, while trolls run around and people constantly RDM to steal what little other players have.
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Post by Doom on Jul 31, 2015 3:33:40 GMT
I like the wipe, but if gear becomes too hard to get then we'll just see a lot of looting rather than people working as serfs. Besides this I'm for a restart, provided that Simon doesn't go around dropping 1k all over Zendar again.
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Post by maeng on Jul 31, 2015 3:39:44 GMT
I like the wipe, but if gear becomes too hard to get then we'll just see a lot of looting rather than people working as serfs. Besides this I'm for a restart, provided that Simon doesn't go around dropping 1k all over Zendar again. Yea and it'll just become a giant screwfest where rdming and trolling will just become commonplace and one faction will dominate like all the other garbage out there.
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Doom
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Post by Doom on Jul 31, 2015 3:47:15 GMT
This is mostly why we need a wipe
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Post by SO_RealmHawk on Jul 31, 2015 3:51:02 GMT
It will be more of a challenge, but nothing too crazy. Worse case scenario, we just revert to the previous version.
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Post by Bryan on Jul 31, 2015 3:53:15 GMT
This is mostly why we need a wipe This is the same thing I was gonna try to post, but it didn't work for some reason. Anyways this thing needs to be addressed and I think that this reset will fix some problems, temporarily. Surely people will be pissed off when they work hard for the gear they get and get RDM'd by an Outlaw, so this needs to be dealt with as well as the poor economy.
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Post by purple on Jul 31, 2015 3:59:31 GMT
Uhm if this is going to be well known then change the admin staff aka Simon at least get some people that can actually rp and not 12 year olds that are dumb as fuck.
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pugmaster
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Post by pugmaster on Jul 31, 2015 4:01:12 GMT
Summary of the Shoutout Chat:
It's a bad thing for multiple reasons, I shall explain them all. SO_RealmHawk: You have your reasons, I have mine. Please explain them in the thread though. pugmaster: Reason 1: It says this is a change to make the game less grindy. This isn't more far from the truth. By making you earn even less gold, and making all the gear even more expensive, people will just grind harder and harder. "The point of RP isn't to make lots of gold" that is probably the most untrue thing Ive heard! What do you want to do in life? Make money probably. You don't have dreams of becoming a fat rich bastard? Doesn't it just increase roleplay by.. letting us do that? It enhances your story as a tavernkeep, wanting adventure, finding it, then becoming a balls to the wall rich Lord! That is the story people want! Not to be stuck in a shell doing the same thing with no motive! Reason 2: If things are super expensive, it will be a race to endgame! Whoever gets to endgame first will just terrorize the commoners, and more likely then not, just RDM because they think they are untouchable. Because, well, they are. Reason 3: Servers like this are big signs saying "come put your dick in my ass" to trolls. There will be so many nakeds running around RDMing and doing other troll things it will be insane! Also, with the super low gold, and high prices... It will only encourage other players to RDM and take what little that person has! Among the trolls and players RDMing to get as much as possible, it will be nothing more than a huge clusterfuck of RDM and no one will want to play! So over all, this is bad because you can't live a life you want, you will be forced into a role of boring grinding your whole life. Whoever gets the best gear first will terrorize everyone and become untouchable and it will be a huge clusterfuck of RDMing players and trolls
that is all.
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